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Effect of Polygamy on Women and the Family

A Comparison of Family Functioning, Life and Marital Satisfaction, and Mental Health of Women in Polygamous and Monogamous Marriages

Alean Al-Krenawi
Ben-Gurion University

John R. Graham
University of Calgary, Calgary, Canada

Background: A considerable body of research concludes that the polygamous family structure has an impact on children’s and wives’ psychological, social and family functioning.

Aims: The present study is among the first to consider within the same ethnoracial community such essential factors as family functioning, life satisfaction, marital satisfaction and mental health functioning among women who are in polygamous marriages and women who are in monogamous marriages.

Method: A sample of 352 women participated in this study: 235 (67%) were in a monogamous marriage and 117 (33%) were in a polygamous marriage.

Results: Findings reveal differences between women in polygamous and monogamous marriages. Women in polygamous marriages showed significantly higher psychological distress, and higher levels of somatisation, phobia and other psychological problems. They also had significantly more problems in family functioning, marital relationships and life satisfaction.

Conclusion: The article calls on public policy and social service personnel to increase public awareness of the significance of polygamous family structures for women’s wellbeing.

The Journal of Social Psychology
Volume 148, Number 6 / December 2008


Psychosocial and Familial Functioning of Children From Polygynous and Monogamous Families

Alean Al-Krenawi and Vered Slonim-Nevo

Ben-Gurion University

A sample of 352 Bedouin Arab children— 174 from monogamous and 178 from polygynous families—participated in this study. The authors used standardized measures to assess the participants’ level of self-esteem, mental health, social functioning, father-child relationships, mother-child relationships, and family functioning. The findings revealed that children from polygynous families reported more mental health and social difficulties as well as poorer school achievement and poorer relationships with their fathers than did their counterparts from monogamous families. In addition, the children from polygynous families rated their families’ functioning and economic status as poorer than did those of monogamous families. Thus, the authors suggest that a polygynous family structure negatively affects the family’s socioeconomic status and interpersonal relationships and impairs the children’s psychological and social functioning. The authors discuss implications for practice and policy.

International Journal of Social Psychiatry, Vol. 52, No. 1, 5-17 (2006)

Behavioral Problems and Scholastic Adjustment among Children from Polygamous and Monogamous Marital Family Structures: Developmental Considerations

Elbedour S, Onwuegbuzie AJ, Alatamin M.
Department of Human Development and Psychoeducational Studies, School of Education, Howard University, Washington, DC 20059, USA.

Participants were 255 3rd-grade children. One hundred fifty-three children came from monogamous families that were characterized by 1 wife (i.e., 1-wife families), and 102 children came from polygamous families consisting of 2 wives (i.e., 2-wife families). Teachers completed the Teacher’s Report Form of the Child Behavior Checklist (T. M. Achenback, 1991). A series of logistic regression analyses, after adjusting for maternal education level, revealed that 2-wife children tended to have higher levels of externalizing problems in general and higher levels of attention problems in particular than did their 1-wife counterparts. Also, 2-wife children had higher rates of school absenteeism and lower levels of overall academic achievement than did 1-wife children.

Women from Polygamous and Monogamous Marriages in an Out-Patient Psychiatric Clinic

Alean Al-Krenawi

Ben-Gurion University, Israel

Female subjects were interviewed using a semi-structured open-ended questionnaire. The subjects were divided into two groups: (1) senior wives in polygamous marriages and (2) wives in monogamous marriages. There was a greater prevalence of various symptoms among polygamous respondents, two of which are of particular interest: low self-esteem and loneliness. Findings also showed a relationship between a high number of female children among polygamous respondents and low self-esteem. Polygamous respondents who thought that they were perceived as old by their husbands also reported low self esteem. In addition, respondents from polygamous marriages reported poor relationships with their husbands. Implications for further research and intervention are discussed.

Transcultural Psychiatry, Vol. 38, No. 2, 187-199 (2001)

Women of Polygamous Marriages in Primary Health Care Centers

Alean Al Krenawi Ph.D Ben Gurion University

ABSTRACT: Clinical implications for working with polygamous families are discussed following a report of research among a sample of 126 women from polygamous marriages who were being seen in primary health care centers. Of these, 94 were senior wives who were followed by another wife in the marriage, and 32 were junior wives, the most recent wife joining the marriage. Data revealed that senior wives reported lower self-esteem as compared to junior wives. Findings also showed that senior wives reported poorer relationships with their husbands compared to their junior counterparts. These factors also contribute to the senior wife’s low self-esteem and marital dissatisfaction.

Contemporary Family Therapy, 21(3), September 1999, Human Sciences Press, Inc. Journal of Nervous & Mental Disorders 1985 Jan >(1):56-58.

Women of Polygamous Marriages in an Inpatient Psychiatric Service in Kuwait.

Chaleby K.

The practice of polygamy, although varying from culture to culture, is widespread in many areas of the world. In Kuwait, for example, 8 to 12.5% of all marriages contracted are polygamous. Although sociologists and anthropologists, as well as common sense, have suggested that a polygamous marriage may have a negative effect on the wives involved, an extensive literature search failed to uncover any psychiatric research that attempts to examine this situation or objectively delineates possible psychiatric sequelae. The present study was a pilot effort to determine whether Kuwaiti wives of polygamous marriages were disproportionately represented in the inpatient psychiatric as opposed to the general population. A second purpose was to determine the extent of the relationship between psychiatric disorder and marital situation. Preliminary data indicated that the percentage of wives of polygamous marriages was significantly greater in the inpatient psychiatric population than in the general population of Kuwait, as reflected in the 1975 census. 25% of those admitted for inpatient psychiatric treatment in Kuwait between 1975 – 1985 were polygamous wives.(less than 10% of all married women in Kuwait were in polygamous marriages in that time period). In addition, the results suggested a relationship between the nature of psychiatric disorder and the marital situation.

Learning Achievement, Social Adjustment, and Family Conflict among Bedouin-Arab Children from Polygamous and Monogamous Families.

Lightman, Ernie S.; Al-Krenawi, Alean

Compares learning achievement, social adjustment, and family conflict among 146 Bedouin-Arab students from polygamous and monogamous families. Reveals that children from monogamous families had higher levels of learning achievement, and they adjusted better to the school framework. The mean conflict rating was higher for children from polygamous families.

Journal of Social Psychology, v140 n3 p345-55 Jun 2000

Emotional distress and its correlates among Nigerian women in late pregnancy

A cross-sectional study was carried out in a Teaching Hospital to compare women in late pregnancy and matched controls for emotional distress. Each of the 156 pregnant women was matched with a control and studied to determine the relationship of some obstetric and sociodemographic factors with anxiety and depression. All the subjects were evaluated using the state form of the State-Trait Anxiety Inventory (STAI-state) and the Zung’s Self-Rating Depression Scale (SDS), which are standardised instruments for assessing depression and anxiety, respectively. The pregnant women had significantly higher levels of anxiety and higher levels of depression than their non-pregnant controls. Four of the factors evaluated (age, level of education, socio-economic status and parity) were not found to be significantly related to anxiety or depression among the pregnant women. However, four other factors, i.e. polygamy, previous abortions, mode of previous delivery (caesarean section and instrumentally-assisted delivery) and previous puerperal complications had positive and significant associations with anxiety and depression. The implications of these findings are discussed.

Taken from the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology

1 Department of Mental Health, Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Nigeria
2 Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, College of Health Sciences, Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Nigeria

Address for correspondence: FO, Fatoye, Department of Mental Health, College of Health Sciences, Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Osun State, Nigeria fofatoye  @yahoo.com

Socio-demographic correlates of psychiatric morbidity among low-income women in Aleppo, Syria

References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

Wasim Maziak, , a, Taghrid Asfarb, Fawaz Mzayekc, Fouad M Fouadd and Nael Kilziehe

a Georg Forster Fellow, Institute of Epidemiology and Social Medicine, Domagkstr. 3 48129 Munster, Germany

b General Practitioner, Al-Shahba, 3rd St., Aleppo, Syria

c Head of training, Aleppo Directorate of Health, Aleppo PO Box 12782, Aleppo, Syria

d Director, Primary Health Care, Aleppo Directorate of Health, PO Box 246, Aleppo, Syria

e Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, University of Washington, VAPSHCS, Mental Health Service (116-M), American Lake Division, Tacoma, WA 98493, USA
Available online 25 March 2002.

Interest in mental morbidity as an important component of health is increasing worldwide. Women generally suffer more than men from common mental disorders, and discrimination against women adds to their mental sufferings. Studies looking into the socio-demographic correlates of women’s mental morbidity are lacking in most Arab countries. In this study we wanted to determine the spread and socio-demographic correlates of mental distress among low-income women in Aleppo, Syria. A sample of 412 women was recruited from 8 randomly selected primary care centers in Aleppo. Response rate was 97.2%, mean age of participants 28+8.4 years, where married women constituted 87.9%. A special questionnaire was prepared for the study purpose, utilizing the SRQ-20 non-psychotic items and questions about background information considered relevant to the mental health of women in the studied population. Interviews were conducted in an anonymous one-to-one fashion. The prevalence of psychiatric distress in our sample was 55.6%. Predictors of women’s mental health in the logistic regression analysis were; physical abuse, women’s education, polygamy, residence, age and age of marriage. Among these predictors, women’s illiteracy, polygamy and physical abuse were the strongest determinants of mental distress leading to the worse outcomes. Our data show that mental distress is common in the studied population and that it is strongly associated with few, possibly modifiable, factors.

Family therapy in polygamous families

Volume 54, Issue 9, May 2002, Pages 1419-1427

Psychosom 1981 Apr-JunPO

Patients from polygamous families are over-represented in the Enugu Psychiatric Hospital. The authors came to this conclusion after case notes from 116 anxiety neurotic, 101 schizophrenic and 117 depressive patients were examined. The patients were treated from 1970 to 1979. Polygamy was shortly described with its advantages and disadvantages. Competition between the wives, over-burdening of the husband and often poor care of the children represent the background for the symptoms of the patients, who come from such families. Looking for useful therapeutic methods the method of the natives to solve family quarrels were viewed. Making use of psychoanalytic therapy models especially as represented by Dührssen, Richter and Toman a family therapy model was presented which takes the native judgment model into consideration.

Mental health aspects of Turkish women from polygamous versus monogamous families.

J Soc Psychiatry. (ISSN: 0020-7640) University Faculty of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, Diyarbakir, Turkey.

BACKGROUND: Polygamy is illegal in Turkey, but is common among rural villagers in the southeastern region. Polygamous marriage may have a negative effect on the wives involved. AIM: The purpose of this study was to determine the extent of the relationship between psychiatric disorder and polygamous marriage. METHOD: The mental status of 42 senior and 46 junior wives from polygamous marriages and 50 wives from monogamous marriages was evaluated using the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Axis I Disorders (SCID-I) and Somatoform Dissociation Questionnaire (SDQ). RESULTS: There was a statistically significant difference among senior, junior and monogamous wives in terms of the prevalence of somatization disorder. The prevalence of somatization disorder was the highest in polygamous senior wives. The mean total SDQ scores differed significantly among the three groups. It was the highest in senior wives. CONCLUSIONS: It is clear that the participants from polygamous families, especially senior wives, reported more psychological distress. It is essential to increase awareness of the significance of polygamous family structures among psychiatrists and other therapists.

Mental health aspects of Arab-Israeli adolescents from polygamous versus monogamous families.

J Soc Psychol. 2002; 142(4):446-60 Krenawi A; Graham JR; Slonim-Nevo, V.

The authors considered the mental health consequences of polygamy in a sample of 101 Arab Muslim adolescents (19 from polygamous and 82 from monogamous families) at Juarish (Ramla), Israel. The respondents completed the Self-Esteem Scale (SE; M. Rosenberg, 1979), the Brief Symptom Inventory (BSI; L. Derogatis & N. Melsavados, 1983; L. Derogatis & P. Spencer, 1982), and the McMaster Family Assessment Device (FAD; N. B. Epstein, M. N. Baldwin, & D. S. Bishop, 1983). The respondents from polygamous families had lower SE scores, statistically significant higher scores in 2 BSI dimensions, higher scores in all other BSI dimensions, andThe psychosocial profile of Bedouin Arab women living in polygamous and monogamous marriages.

Author: Al-Krenawi A; Slonim-Nevo V

Source: Families in Society. 2008 Jan-Mar; 89 (1):139-149.

Abstract: This study examining the psychosocial profile of Bedouin Arab Women living in polygamous and monogamous marriages found that women in polygamous marriages reported lower levels of self-esteem and higher levels of somatization, depression, anxiety, hostility, paranoid ideation, more problematic family functioning, less marital satisfaction, and more problematic mother-child relationships than women in monogamous marriages. The sample consisted of 315 women, 156 from polygamous and 159 from monogamous families. The respondents completed the Self-Esteem scale (SE), The Brief Symptom Inventory (BSI), The McMaster Family Assessment Device (FAD), The Enrich questionnaire and the Index of Parental Attitudes. The polygamous family structure and the economic difficulties apparently constitutes a substantial contribution to the polygamous household’s impaired family functioning.

Factors associated with depressive symptoms among postnatal women in Nepal

Signe Dørheim Ho-Yen, Gunnar Tschudi Bondevik, Malin Eberhard-Gran, Bjørn Bjorvatn

Background. Depression after childbirth affects both the mother and her infant. In South-Asia, maternal depression might also contribute to poor infant growth. Knowledge of risk factors could improve the health workers’ recognition of depression. Aim. To examine possible risk factors for depression in the postnatal period among women in one clinical, one urban and one rural population in Lalitpur district, Nepal. Method. A total of 426 postnatal women were included in a cross-sectional structured interview study, 5–10 weeks after delivery. Depressive symptoms were measured by the Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale [EPDS]. Results. Multivariate analysis showed that depression (EPDS >12) was strongly associated with husband’s alcoholism, polygamy and previous depression. Other significant factors were stressful life events, multiparity, smoking and depression during pregnancy. There was a non-significant trend of lower depressive scores among women living in arranged marriages, and among women practicing the tradition of staying in their maternal home after delivery.

1. Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care, Section for General Practice, University of Bergen, Norway  2. Division of Psychiatry, Stavanger University Hospital, Norway  3. Division of Mental Health, Norwegian Institute of Public Health, Norway  † Correspondence: Signe Dørheim Ho-Yen, Division of Psychiatry, Stavanger University Hospital, PO Box 8100, NO-4068, Stavanger, Norway sdhy@ sus.no

Taken from :

Acta Obstetricia et Gynecologica Scandinavica

2007, Vol. 86, No. 3, Pages 291-297

Factors influencing the quality of life of infertile women in United Arab Emirates

References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

G. M. KhayataCorresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, a, D. E. E. Rizkb, M. Y. Hasanc, S. Ghazal-Aswadb and M. A. N. Asaada

Abstract

Objectives: To measure the quality of life in a representative sample of infertile women and evaluate their sociocultural attitude to this condition. Methods: Two hundred sixty-nine infertile women attending the Assisted Reproduction clinic, Tawam Hospital were consecutively selected. They were interviewed about the effect of infertility on their quality of life using a structured, measurement-specific and pre-tested questionnaire. Results: Parameters mostly affected were mood-related mainly in women  30 years old, with primary and female factor infertility and those in polygamous marriages expressing higher levels of dissatisfaction. Quality of life did not affect sexual performance and was not affected by duration of infertility or cost of treatment. Conclusion: The results highlight the importance of bearing children and the stresses exerted on infertile women in Eastern societies. Thorough counseling and continuing support of infertile women is therefore indicated to improve their quality of life.

a. Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Tawam Hospital, Al-Ain, United Arab Emirates  b. Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences, United Arab Emirates University, Al-Ain, United Arab Emirates  c. Department of Pharmacology, Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences, United Arab Emirates University, Al-Ain, United Arab Emirates

Violence against women

Author: Maziak W

Source: Lancet. 2002 Jul 27;360:343-344.

Abstract: In this letter to the editor, Wasim Maziak commends the publishing of articles on violence against women, given this issue of The Lancet on the serious implications of women’s health and well- being. Maziak also details findings of a study on 412 Syrian women. Depression and post-traumatic stress disorder are mentioned as the most frequent mental health sequelae of intimate- partner violence. Women of polygamous marriages were 2·3 times more likely to report physical abuse than were women in monogamous marriages in Syria.

Psychiatric morbidity and its sociodemographic correlates among women in Irbid, Jordan

T.K. Daradkeh,1 A. Alawan,2 R. Al Ma’aitah3 and S.A. Otoom4

A total of 2000 women participated in the project. Their ages ranged from 18 to 85 years with a mean of 32.1 years

The Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ) was the first mental health diagnostic test that could be entirely self-administered by the patient and is 85% effective in suggesting the presence of a mental health problem [12]. The physician applies algorithms to make the final diagnosis and the PHQ simplifies the differential diagnosis by assessing only 8 disorders. These are divided into “threshold disorders” corresponding to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) diagnoses (e.g. major depression, panic disorders, other anxiety and bulimia nervosa) and “subthreshold disorders” (e.g. other depressive disorders, probable alcohol abuse, and somatoform and binge-eating disorders). If a patient scores positive for any problems they are asked: “How difficult have these problems made it for you to do your work, take care of things at home, or get along with other people?”

Our findings with regard to the prevalence of mental disorders in polygamous marriages showed an interesting pattern. Overall, 42.9% of women in polygamous marriages suffered mental disorders compared with 26.7% of first and only wives. Further analysis suggested that polygamous marriage has a very deleterious effect on mental health for second wives. We have no clear explanation for such observations. Our results provide strong evidence for the deleterious effect of this practice on women consenting to be the second wife in already established marriages.

Taken from: The World Health Organization : The Eastern Mediterranean Health Journal Volume 12, Supplement 2 (electronic)

20 Comments
  1. The largest study to date regarding the effect of polygyny on the family is in progress in Malaysia.
    The preliminary data is available at the following link :

    http://bit.ly/6vx3tC

  2. Wow, samples of under 500 in various areas of the world without comment on the how the culture and law directly affects women and the situation. There’s conclusive proof for you. I suppose you drive your camping by labeling any woman that disagrees with you as ‘brainwashed’ and relying on abstract unspecified allegations of harm and abuse.

    As if any valid correlation can be drawn between a woman in a situation in the UAE compared to a woman in a situation in Canada.

    I don’t suppose you go into ancient Roman law and admit the misogynist origins of monogamy nor do you give credit to women like Martha Hughes Canon for their incredible work on women lib nor do I expect you give credit to men like Martin Madan who devoted their life to the status, treatment, and health of women centuries before it was fashionable.

    Drop the idealizing of monogamy as if was around to lift women up. Most men would prefer a woman to be a girlfreind, mistress, or prostitute rather than a wife they have to be responsible for and care about, there’s your early drive for monogamy. That and an extremely low view of marriage in general by some choice early Catholics put monogamy in place. Any idea that monogamy is good for women is new to last century.

    Ultimately removing laws that directly oppress women (like many of the above countries have) is the only way to stop oppressing women. Family structure and family dynamics are secondary.

    • Maybe you should do a literature review, Jair. There is abundant literature which indicates that polygyny is associated with poor mental health outcomes for women compared to monogamy with sample sizes in the thousands – in very modern, industrialized countries like Israel, Malaysia, and Turkey. You need to do a lot more reading before you dismiss the facts.

  3. ANYONE WHO HAS TAKEN A REAL MIDNIGHT STROLL knows that if a flashlight beam is flashed on, all you see is a few yards of dirt and rocks. Researchers have been very careful to keep that flashlight pointed only on things that support their view of Polygamous lives.

    What this does for the public, is obscure all the same abuses
    abundantly present in monogamy. Not so easily found, and not so easy to put on public display. In Monogamy, often the wives and children are just as abused, molested and exploited but only the family and perhaps a few neighbours, when there are neighbours, know of it.

    I do not want to argue the brave women who have come forward with tales of abuse. It is humiliating to speak out and more should seek help. If the enormous amounts of money which have been spent on persecuting the FLDS had been spent on fixing aspects of
    the whole society’s family problems and those common to all women and children, the included polygamous abuse might be addressed successfully and abuses corrected.

    These trials are just stuffing money needed for social welfare down a rat hole. You can’t compare different kinds of polygamy or find true common threads between them. The pattern of abuse may differ and I support laws that protect women and children from abuses more particular to polygamy than monogamy. Mark Shurtleff of Utah has
    lobbied for such laws.

    The broad criminalisation of Polygamy across the board will be very
    expensive over many years and polygamy is too easy to conceal for there to be enforcement that does not harm those it means to protect. Women need to report abuse of themselves and children without fear or shame. They need social services that help them to work on family issues while keeping their families intact, on an equal basis with Monogamous women.

    • It is obvious that you have not been following the conversation very well, either. Go to Rebecca Kimbel’s video on this blog. You will see that the underlying reason women do not speak out from the depth of the harems in which they are sex slaves is FEAR. When Utah A/G Mark Shurtleff formed his infamous safety net committee, he would not let any group that opposed the practice of polygamy have a voice at the table. Thus, none of the $3/4 Million given to Utah by the U.S. Federal Government “to fix the problem” was given to advocacy groups like Tapestry Against Polygamy! With no funding for the wonderful work they were doing to help transition women and children out of polygamy into mainstream society, they are now defunct. Don’t praise Mark Shurtleff on this blog for his decriminalization tactics. This is Canada. We do not want polygamy here in any form. If we decriminalize polygamy, polygamous groups even from the U.S. will be clamouring to get across our borders to take advantage of our social programs. Polygamy is a crime against women and children and young men who are left out. I suggest you start working on getting your government officials to ratify the United Nations Convention for the Prevention of All Forms of Discrimination against Women before you stick your nose into Canada. The U.S. has an abysmal reputation for not ratifying its own laws, let alone international conventions, that protect women and children and give women equal rights. There are no equal rights in polygamy!

      Nancy Mereska, President
      Stop Polygamy in Canada

  4. … suppressed, abused and poor women are at more risk of retro-viral disease, including AIDES than women whose marriages and divorces are freely chosen and voluntarily maintained… see frequent references to “somatisation disorder” . There is no consensus that this disorder even exists.

    Standard measures may not apply from culture to culture. The addition of another wife may improve or be detrimental to the economic status of families and first to third world comparisons may be invalid.

    Some measure that would compare monogamous and polygamous women in shelters according to the degree
    of autocracy, violence, full participation in family governance and then compares women and children at the same level of former suppression by polygamous or monogamous status would interest me.

    STD’s including those related to virulence, including pathogens and toxins which attack the immune system and allow multiple serious but opportunistic infections are more common where poverty is a factor.

    More democratic means of decision making precede the addition of a new wife or child and societies where wives may be educated and make good money, the implications for the welfare of women and children may differ from these third world studies.

    The divergence from more traditional norms of historical and modern polygamy should be the main objection to the FLDS and similar groups not Polygamy per se.

    We have too many anecdotes that blame egregious problems on a Religion and not the individuals involved or responsible.

    Another horror story is not going to change my emotional response to horror stories. Anyone as deeply impressed by anecdotal narratives (By anecdotal I do not mean false or exaggerated)
    could not work in this field effectively. They are not particular to polygamy, per.se. . I am uncertain that polygamy per se is what these studies have examined.

    • Standard measures may not apply from culture to culture. The addition of another wife may improve or be detrimental to the economic status of families and first to third world comparisons may be invalid.

      Most of the research on polygamy wasn’t done in third world cultures. It was conducted in Israel, Turkey, Indonesia, and Malaysia.
      The results are consistently negative.

  5. Family is the cornerstone of Canadian values and law. One spouse at a time per person. Period. All persons who contribute to polygamy should be charged. This includes the women in polygynous relationships. Only after all involved are charged (as is the law) will this practice stop.

  6. Yep, get your concentration camps ready.

  7. That comment sounds a little off kilter. Andrew Coyne suggests not recognizing these multi spousal relationships in family law courts and within social institutions. Good idea and within the letter of the law. However, if charged, the “spouses” would have the opportunity to self-declare in court whether they are spouses of more than one person, or not. Also, whether their “spouse” is the simultaneous spouse of another person as well. If they CLAIM under oath to be spouses or spouses of a person who has a spouse already, then charges should be hardened up and followed through. Perhaps when the men and women realize they are not spouses in the eyes of the law and social institutions, they will think twice about the lifestyle they have chosen. In any event, polygamy will be dead with respect to social and legal recognition. The polygynous men will have a choice of answer when making public (legal) oath that they have multiple sametime spouses. Watch the women gag when the men declare the “subsequent” women are NOT their spouses.

  8. I wouldn’t count on them doing this. And much more pertinent is how large a population do you think you are dealing with? We are dealing with large polygamous families over 5 1/2 generations with a large initial immigration. My calculator came up with 220,000 people, nearly a quarter of a million and assuming that only half of the descendants continued to live the Principle. The FLDS did not come into play until just after WWII.

  9. “Perhaps when the men and women realize they are not spouses in the eyes of the law and social institutions, they will think twice about the lifestyle they have chosen.” NOT EVERYONE CHOOSES THEIR RELIGION.

  10. It is a religious lifestyle–I’m all for outlawing and prosecuting the abuse and exploitation of children. If the sentence is unreasonably long, it will shield the actual pedophiles while imprisoning many good parents.

    Traslation: Drittes ReichDeutsche Psychiatrie bekennt sich zu Gräueltaten

    Friday, 26.11.2010, 11:24· From FOCUS editor Jochen Niehaus

    65 years after the end of the Third Reich, the German professional society of their psychiatrist’s dark history – finally. Just today, they apologized for their crimes under the Nazis.

    Only now professes the German professional society of psychiatrists related to their cruel crimes of the Third Reich. President Frank Schneider asked in a memorial ceremony for the victims and the displaced Jewish doctors to apologize for the atrocities.

    FOCUS: You apologize to Congress of the German Society for Psychiatry, Psychotherapy and Neurology for the Nazi crimes committed during a memorial service in psychiatry. Why is this not already happened?

    Frank Schneider: I do not know why only now talking about it. We have no words, why can place an event like this only now. One explanation is hardly possible, it is not a justification for it.

    We called in our society DGPPN to 160 years of tradition, and it was also available in the Third Reich. The then President inquired on eugenics and promoted them to the outside. It is inconceivable crimes happened. And in `45 we were not on the side of the victims, but had its share of new discrimination and disadvantage. This darkest part of our history has been hidden for too long suppressed. The continued silence is also a degradation of the victims. But we are ashamed.

    We will now apologize and ask for reconciliation. Many victims do not live longer, and so the request comes too late. She is perhaps not too late for the survivors and descendants – and for all mentally ill people today, for today’s female psychiatrist and a psychiatrist and for professionals in society itself

    FOCUS: In what form your professional society committed to the crimes?

    Schneider: First, we have adopted a statute change. In Section 1 is now firmly established that the company intends to victims and bears responsibility for what happened then. And that we take responsibility to ensure that it never happens again.

    In addition, an independent, international commission of four outstanding historians of science is tasked to explore the history of our society in the Third Reich. We have to put EUR 150 000 and provide us with contractually obliged to publish the results of the study, no matter what comes up. Following is a further study planned for the postwar years, so the period of cover-up and displacement to clarify that went into the 80’s.

    FOCUS: What you think of victims?

    Schneider: First, the approximately 2,000 Jewish psychiatrists who were forced to emigrate and home, lost their possessions. Then, the forced sterilization and the killed.

    We also remember the victims who have experienced psychiatric research by suffering, were maimed or killed.

    Note kmw; In the former hospital Strecknitz mentally ill were abused, but the largest killing Center was Hadamar, named for the towers of a prince voyagers first saw when he emerged from the mists of the hollow earth. T4 was the administrative building for administering the Genocide, and became the name of the whole program.

  11. Dr. Cameron (Of the Canadian Psychiatric Association) Should provide the names of all the children exploited and tortured in mind control experiments including those who are/were Americans and the Canadian and US government should do likewise, in part for allowing Nazi doctors to experiment on Americans, including the 1952 Flash blindness experiments on children whose parents practised plural marriage.

  12. “Most of the research on polygamy wasn’t done in third world cultures. It was conducted in Israel, Turkey, Indonesia, and Malaysia.
    The results are consistently negative.” Yes, and it is all from cultures
    who practice Islamic Polygamy.

    I THINK that’s why they started with the FLDS at Yearning for Zion, to whom a overwhelming minority, minority mind you, of people practising polygamy independently branching from the LDS tradition belong.

    • That’s a non sequitor if I ever heard one. Take a look at the data from Hmong Laotian polygamist immigrants to the US. Not good either.

      You hear this again and again. Somehow, someway, it will be SO much different when my faith, the TRUE religion, practices polygyny.

      It isn’t.

      The limited data on Mormon Fundamentalist polygyny does not look any better.
      It’s all consistent.
      Dream on, or should I say, ramble on, Kathleen.

  13. Also, Kathleen Weber does not show any knowledge of Christian Fundamentalist Polygamy–two groups are prevalent in North America, Mark Henkel’s and Steve Butts’. Please read Andrea Moore Emmett’s “God’s Brothel” and do some meaningful research before you come back to this blog with your diatribes, Kathleen. Until you do, your comments are going to be sent to the trash bin of this blog by me!

    Nancy Mereska, President
    Stop Polygamy in Canada

  14. Excesses can be addressed without breaking up existing families.

    • Really Kathleen! Do you really think that polygamous unions are families when the wives compete for the attention of one man, each wanting their own intimate, monogamous relationship with that man, each suffering untold mental, physical, emotional abuses because of their status as a concubine in the harem of one Alpha male. Where the children do not even know their father and suffer disassociative disorders because they do not bond with their parents.
      “Existing families,” indeed! These are not famililies.

      Stop Polygamy in Canada means just that–Stop the Practice of Polygamy in Canada. It is going to cost less in the long run to prosecute the existing offenders, set up social and educational programs for the women and children, and integrate them into mainstream society where they can function with dignity and equality within society, then it is to deal with all the social disorders, drug and alcohol abuse that exudes into society when members of polygamous cults come out on their own.

      This is the last of your comments I am allowing because you speak from a different world. Canada is better at social programs than the U.S. is.

      Nancy Mereska, President
      Stop Polygamy in Canada

  15. Agreed. Prosecute offenders. Set-up councelling/rehab centers in Canada. Eradicate pro-polygamous matters over the shortest period of time. Stop government sanctioned polygamy. Erase gender polygamy, include ALL offenders. Prosecute all involved. Stay the course with monogamous families, family values, let adulterous people do what they ant.. just don’t call it marriage.

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